Aineo wrote:Huldah, you are contradicting yourself when you state you believe Colossians 1:16ff and then deny that Jesus preexisted creation
No she's not - she simply interprets it in a different way.
because Colossians teaches Jesus created the world and all that is not seen.
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Incidentally, what do you believe the "thrones, dominions, principalities and powers" to be? What day where they created on, and where in
Genesis can I find a verse which describes their creation?
In other words Colossians plainly states Jesus was around prior to Genesis 1:1.
No it doesn't.
Jesus is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53.
I agree! We've been saying this all along!
Your problem and the problem most non-Trinitarians have is that cannot logically explain how God can exist in three distinct persons or personalities each with the ability to make independent decisions.
Actually no, the problem is all yours and it is this:
nowhere in Scripture does any passage (or set of passages) state that "God exists in three distinct persons or personalities each with the ability to make independent decisions."
So what you believe is that any human being can live a sinless life because we are not born with "original sin"?
No, we do not believe this.
Jesus was only capable of living a sinless life because he was blessed with a number of unique and extradinary privileges:
- He shared a special relationship with the Father:
Luke 10:22
All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
- He possessed the Holy Spirit without measure:
John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
- He was strengthened by angels in his time of need:
Matthew 4:11
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Luke 22:4143
And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
I would have thought that this was sufficient to do the job. How about you?
In any case, since you agree with us that Jesus
could have sinned, it's a moot point! 8)