Christian/Muslim ThreadsNo Proof Quran Copied from Bible, Gnostic or Jewish Sources1) there is proof that wich was supossenly NEW knowledge to the world, was allready OLD heretic knowledge... folklore who supponsly only it's neighbouring countries have known for over more then 400 years without ever being translated (i'm being sarcastic because you are being naieve) Are you really that gullible? we have four heretic gospels who predate the muhammed era including one purely arabic translation... muhammed did not reveal nothing new !!! and to think that i gave you allready tons of different arguments for this one borrowed source only... think what i could do with all the other claimed borrowed stories... overall muhammed has borrowed 80% of the quran (excluding vain repetition and his personal stories). he didn't have to read greek.... aramaic, syriac and coptic were close enough... and Waraqa could read and translate that I KNOW that revelation continued after that, but Waraqa had 15 years to engage into debates with Muhammed... 15 years!! just because muhammed started revelation doesn't mean all previous knowledge was thrown away... and Muhammed was a deeply religious man before he started islam, and he was very close to his family... wich would only indicate close contact with a relative like Waraqa. It's very reasonable to believe that... next to that when Waraqa died, all the sudden revelation stopped for a period of time as well (coincidence?). Muhammed in the same hadiths you mentioned is seen listening, talking or debating monks, jews and foreigners... in the quran he is accused of a man dictating him old stories, etc.... his early critics were right all along my friend. oh boohoo relaxjack, i never said i had a video tape of muhammed being teached by waraqa... see it this way, if you throw a marble in a pit of tar, it will only be reasonable that the tar on the marble will be from his surroundings... then the marble claiming the tar came to him miraculously that is what done with scriptual research my friend, especially with such important scriptures, again read something about the subject and get down from that ivory tower before you come off as if you know everything about it. 6) Loki said euh historians aren't laywers, they can't always base everything on datings... historians have to interprate history like a puzzle... if a piece is missing they will give with reasonable arguments the most fitting piece. For instance... just because we don't read Julius Ceasar walking doesn't mean he was a cripple. and that is his opinion, if he did some real study instead of showing his sympathy for muslim propaganda (since this is probably the only thing he read)... he would see that muhammed really did copy from others and that the quran has a dubious history and is full of fallacies, vain repetition, chronological dissorder, provocation of hatred/wars/discrimination wich all fall short of indicating any divine miracle but indicate human tampering. problem with Islam is it's lack of history (and or it's respect for it) in so much that it's full of fabricated historical beginnings of islam... wich plays in the advantage of the muslim... the majority thinks that way over the facts, but a good thing the west does have respect for history and is gonna expose islam's history from the root down... of wich it is allready doing so. many things in agreement, then why was the quran neccerary? if it just a copy of the bible, then away with the quran simple as that! i don't have problems with agreeances... i have problems with it's disagreeances... and many of them are theologically absurd 1) muhammed isn't from the lineage of isaac (not a jew) 2) muhammed had no miracles or prophecies 3) muhammed wasn't prophecied in biblical scripture 4) the line of prophets from the old covenant ended with John The Baptist 5) muhammed destroys genesis, the gospel and revelations... a 4000 year old holy book, wich is utter blasphemy 6) the quran is full of mistakes trinity with mary, aaron the brother of mary, etc... 7) the quran has a dubious history wich indicates that editing happend... missing verses, only created two hundred years after the prophet, it's a collection of tales of wich muhammed acctually never saw the whole quran, and in the process one quran was chosen and all others destroyed. 8 ) islam included pagan rituals in the quran and attributes them to judaism, for absurd reasons why on earth do we need a cubical stone to worship instead of God? and back to point 9 the borrowings: i have fourty more or so, things that muhammed stole from other scripture, i think i have made some points wich any unprejuiced man would agree on that i did make points, if your skull is to thick or your pride is to big to grasp that then that is not me lacking but you. anyhow i'm still willing to evaluate this subject by showing you another borrowing muhammed did, and then another, and then another, and then another,.... are you sure you will be able to stand up against a wall of evidence? |
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