Christian/Muslim ThreadsNo Proof Quran Copied from Bible, Gnostic or Jewish SourcesPlagiarism NOUN: pl. pla·gia·ries Plagiarism. Archaic One who plagiarizes. ETYMOLOGY: "Latin plagirius, kidnapper, plagiarist, from plagium, kidnapping, from plaga, net; see plk- 1 in Indo-European roots" http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... d=p0344400 DEFINITION: "To appropriate the writings, graphic representations or ideas of another person and represent them as one's own, (that is, without proper attribution). Plagiarism is a form of intellectual property violation" http://onlineethics.org/glossary.html#anchP I think i proved plagiarism countless times allready by showing excerpts of countless of stories that predate the quran! how many more stolen stories do you want me to show? And like i said before i do not have carbon datings at hand, and neither does the internet... yet still the internet is speaking in my favor, you are the one saying that all assertions that the stories that predate the quran are lies. It's you who has more at stake by dissproving those sources, then me having to double confirm them for you. next to that, carbon dating will only carbon date the particular scripture found, it will indicate the time of that copy only, that doesn't mean the existence of that story began and ended their... in that regard, the more copies of one scripture that are found, the more it is possible to indicate it's time period... as are many time periods of heretic gospels derived from condemnations by the early church fathers who quoted lines from it. so that you can know at wich time the heresy allready excisted... hey, let's bring forth another copy paste story from muhammed... i can quote stolen stories from him all day, and still you don't think that is sufficient enough for proof? you think ALL these books he stolen from are from after muhammed's time? that takes more faith then the reasonable arguments that i give you. The account of a raven showing Cain how to hide his brother’s body (S 5:30-32) has its origins in the Targum of Jonathan-ben-Uzziah, the Targum of Jerusalem and the Pirke-Rabbi Eleazar; all apocryphal Jewish writings from the Talmud dating from AD 150-200. The story of Abraham breaking the idols (S 21:51-71) comes from a set of second century Jewish folktales called the Midrash Rabbah; and the bizarre account of the Queen of Sheba lifting her skirts to walk across a mirrored floor (S 27:44) is derived from a second century apocryphal document called the Targum of Esther. maybe the quran itself for instance, where'd you think he got the christians from to persecute? you think he asked byzantium if they could send a group of christians to his pensiluna to persecute? or would be more rational to believe that they were allready there and a large part of it's society? the magnitude on how you interpretate 'infested' is on your behalf since it's only a subjective amount. I get that idea from what Islam teaches my friend, the religion you proclaim to believe is truth... When the destructions of other quran's happend under Uthman's order... it supponsly was because of the different dialects (but then again who knows maybe they did it because there were countless of different quran's)... and as the legend goes destroyed all quran's with dialects and preserved the quran in the original language of muhammed, namely that of the qurash tribe... So you saying that the infancy arabic gospel is bad and nonsencical arabic, is a argument in favor of it predating the quran, predating the time that the arabic language was generalized. noone today but the people living in muhammed's time can proof with 100% certainty who the people where that he got it from... like i said before, for all you know these people aren't mentioned in the quran and hadiths... yet you still ask me to bound myself to those two sources only, how shallow.... i told you that once or twice allready, is your skull that thick for you that you can't comprehend anything reasonable? you just keep on acting like you don't get it, i thought you were a bit smarter than that! I did proof plagiarism by muhammed... it's only speculation from where he got it; since this can only be done with 100% certainty when he lived... sure i can give you a list of possible suspects but that doesn't mean it's them neither does it mean it isn't, because muhammed could of picked up his folklore anywere at anytime by any person (who doesn't even have to be mentioned in the quran or hadiths). for once i believe your quran "We know indeed that they say "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notable foreign while this is Arabic pure and clear. Those who believe not in the Signs of Allah, Allah will not guide them and theirs will be a grievous Penalty." (Yusef Ali's translation) [16:103-104] There is abundant evidence that Muhammad was in contact with members of other religions that there is no need for me to mention the hadiths in wich that happens (one of his wifes was supponsly christian, his uncle studied and translated scriptures for pete's sake, he was supponsly confirmed a prophet by a monk! and he had countless of contacts with the jews in Medina, and a whole lot of other occurances and possibilities to large to mention) . There is also evidence that Muhammad was told stories from other religions (source = quran) . There is also evidence that Muhammad repeated stories that were established as myths, or other people's religious writings (source = quran compard to older stories) . Are you willing to stake your eternity upon someone who borrowed other religious writings? |
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