Muslim & Christian Discussion ForumPlease try and convince me otherwise. :: replyreply Pedophilia is a psychological disorder in which an individual has consistant perversion for children, and is aroused by children; Study of the life of the Prophet of Islam (sa) shows that he was far from pedophilia: Victoms of pedophiles will share horrible accounts of sexual, emotional and physical abuse. Since the Prophet of Islam had more than one wife, as permitted by the time-period and culture, not only in the Arabian peninsula, but also in neighboring Greek, Roman, and Jewish cultures as well ..... you will notice that a few of the Prophet's wives were several years older than he was. It was Abu Bakr, the closest companion of the Prophet, and the very first person to embrace Islam, it was through the suggestion of Abu Bakr himself, that the Prophet marry his daughter ..... The Prophet accepted Abu Bakr's offer on account that Aisha, though a youth, could memorize scripture and teach women and children alike and do so for many years due to her youth. However, the only way she could accompany the Prophet on moral grounds, is by marrying him (according to Islamic Law) .... Aisha, when her life is studied, never complained about any abuse, but only had positive things to say about the Prophet. The relationship, according to Hadith, was a very healthy and spiritual relationship .... The Prophet is known to have not pursued children the way pedophiles do. Compare the actions of the Roman Catholic priests or Michael Jackson for example, to the life of the Prophet (sa), and you will notice how the Priests and Jackson, allegedly, pursued children consistantly .... The children then accounted the abuse, and were very emotionally scarred. Aisha, on the other hand was super-women, and literally stood behind the Prophet in everything he ever did, and after he, the Prophet passed away, she continued to dedicate her life to the cause which he lived and died for .... If he abused her, then such would not be the case .... Something to consider: According to the apocrypha, the age of Mary was approx. 11 or 12 when pregnancy was forced upon her. Joseph was 92 years old when he married young Mary. Something to consider: I quoted the following verse: Numbers 31:17: Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves .... verse 21: This is the statute of the law which the LORD (Jesus) has commanded Moses .... This particular verse not only has to do with "pedophilia" but also the next objection that was raised:
First of all Islam does not permit rape of any kind ..... I will go over this when I go over the next objection ..... but nonetheless is Number 31:17 among several other verses such as Deuteronomy 22:28 and Deuteronomy 21:10-14 not "rape" ? After these women see their mothers and brothers and father being slaughtered before there very eyes, do you think they want to be with the men that killed their loved ones? Do they have any choice? If a girl is raped, did she want to marry that man that forced her? Did she have a choice in this? Please define "rape" .... Now, back to the concept of pedophilia .... who are these "young girls who have not lost their virginity"? No one has studied the Hebrew Scriptures more closely than those who were given the written scripture, and furthermore, those who speak and are scholars of the Hebrew language. The commentary written about Numbers 31:17 as presented in the Tulmeds, reads thus: "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," "According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women, except for children who were three years and a day and slightly older, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." reference: Tulmuds, Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653; Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b Actually, let us read the entire context: These verses present a VERY moral standard, and even goes to the extent of saying that you HAVE to marry them properly! And that you are not allowed to commit adultry/fornication!!! The Quran's verdict on fornication and adultry is clear!!! The Prophet of Islam is known to have said that the worst habit is lying and it should be abandoned. The Quran further states: And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know. (2:42) However, the Prophet is narrated as having said: Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in order to bring reconciliation between them). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857) The common assumption from the Hadith is the belief that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions: 1st, to save one's life; 2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation; 3rd, to reconcile a marriage; 4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition. However, at the same time the Prophet and the Quran on far more numerous occations have detested the idea of lying .... Compare it to this: The Bible clearly commands "Thou Shalt Not Kill", but yet Moses was commanded by God to kill abundantly; ie. there are specific times when you must go for the greater good. If you read the verse, it clearly says AS A LAST RESORT .... furthermore it is said that we should follow the tradition of the Prophet; yet the Prophet (sa) is known to have NEVER beaten his wife .... Also, the verse exapands on what measures to take BEFORE doing this as a LAST resort .... Also consider, what is meant by beating .... When God COMMANDS you in the Bible to beat your child with a rod (Prov 23:14 among many other references), does this beating mean, physically abuse the child, or discipline the child ? Obviously there is no abuse on the child, nor should you expect such words to imply such in the Quran .... Absolutly wrong. Let me give you two references. First from the Quran: Many people of the Book wish, that, after you have believed, they could turn you again into disbelievers; But forgive and overlook till Allah brings His decree. Surely Allah has the power to do all that He wills. (2:109) Allah tells us to forgive and overlook the Jews .... also see www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com The Bible allowed murder for apostasy, blasphemy, picking up sticks on sabbath, insulting a parent, not worshiping the God of Israel, being gay, committing adultry etc. etc. The rest of the things mentioned are taken out of context and have no basis whatsoever .... Now, if someone would please go over the verses which I quoted, I would be very grateful .... Thank you in advance .... |
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