Muslimgladiator seeing your childish rants jumping from topic to topic; from Luke 1 to Acts 22, to Acts 9 to Mark 16 to trinity, to Mohammed and his 10000 caravan raiders are predicted in Deuteronomy, to transubstantiation (are we supposed to be impressed you copied and pasted transubstantiation?), we both know you have been on this forum before coping and pasting already refuted material, HOPING to have ONE valid point in your entire diatribe, it is obvious you do not know what you are talking about; the fact that you chose to hurl insults at someone who has clearly answered all your questions, yet you have not answered one of his can only mean you KNOW you have nothing to offer and are at best in a cul de sac. Here are some current discussions amongst westernized muslims that simply makes your religion untenable, (your whole point here is to destroy the fabric of christianity by claiming it is corrupt and indirectly assume islam is the obvious alternative? taking quotes out of context from a western scholar that would equally make a laughing stock out of islam):
I'm intrigued by it all. Some Muslims deny she was that young, and more of e.g. 16 or 18 but its unlikely. The prophet had a vision of a Aisha and implied that the marriage was a will of Allah. Yet, i personally dont know (as of yet) if Allah's command was immediate.
When i first heard of it, i couldnt believe it because of the ethnics and morals our Nabi (saw) expressed to everyone, and the sleeping with a 9 year old is, in my opinion, a sharp opposite.
So for the sake of morals, its extremely sensitve and not a subject any Muslim i know likes to discuss.
So, i just two simple questions.
1. Did Allah command Muhammad (saw) to marry and (you know) with Aisha, and considering her age, why?
Considering the other ages of his other wives, there must have been some reason...or is there none?
Im sorry but its important for me to know so i can defend our nabi in the future, and to also give myself assurances. I hope thats permittable.
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A Question for all.
I was always told that we should try to be like our Nabi in everyway. I was just wondering, if you had a daughter who was very young, and was able to reproduce, would you allow her marriage between her and an older man?
Regardless of age, ofcourse.
You dont have to answer, because i can't imagine anyone would. It just shows still, despite the facts, that people are still uncomfortable with the concept.
Salam,
Was she pre-puberty or post-puberty Radi Allahi `Anha - when she married the Prophet .
I ask this because missionaries quote Ibn Hajar as saying that she `Aisha (radi Allahu `Anha) would play with dolls because she was pre-pubescent when she married the Prophet .
Married pre-puberty, consumated post-puberty.
Thats what I meant. What are the proofs that it was post-puberty, and Allah knows best.
i am not sure what the rest think but i find some points in the above answer rather poor. the answers seem more concerned with going off on the kuffar and western culture than answering the question. yes we do not agree with with western ideology on many matters but its thinking like this which pains, at least to me, the whole culture as bad. there is good and bad everywhere and must learn to seperate the two and take which is islamically permissible and good. 2ndly the question is valid, and a good portion of the answer seems to try to convince the reader that one should not worry about it if ppl ask cause you know ppl attacked/asked b4 so it does not matter. this is more so us laymen muslims who do not know always how to defend islam when any average joe comes to attack, and uses this subject to attack. a much better answer would be to talk about reasoning behind the marriage, what it meant to the ummah in the present and future (after the passing of our Nabi (pbuh)), and many other positive factors.
I believe the hadith literature we have today gives two different views, that Ayesha, May Allah's peace be on her, was six when she got married or she was eighteen (I believe it was eighteen) when she got married.
We can see the huge discrepancy between the two allegation. In this case we can conclude that, either one of them is right, and the other one is wrong (both cannot be right at the same time). Or both of them is wrong.
Why does it have to be that the age has to be either one? It may well be that she was neither! I believe Ayesha was not the popular age that lot of people believe her to be when she got married to the Prophet, rather she was an elligible grown women at an age very suitable for marriage.
The Sahih ahadith give only one view i.e she was six when the nikah took place and nine when she joined the household of the Messenger of Allah Sallallahu `alyhi wa Sallam.
Do you accept the the Prophet, salAlalhu alaihi wasallam was married to 'Aisha at all?
If so, how do you know?
Assalamu alaikum brother,
Yes I do. From Hadiths and Historic books.
If you accept the veracity of some ahadith but not others, on what basis do you do this?
Again paedophile versus unsubstantiated (from your own religion)corrupt but MORAL book, paedophile versus an unsubstantiated corrupt but MORAL book, which would a rational, objective individual chose? this is a no brainer.
BTW this is what Bart Ehrman has to say:
I do not think that the "corruption" of Scripture means that scribes changed everything in the text, or even most things. The original texts certainly spoke at great length about Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. The issues involved in the corruption of the text usually entail nuances of interpretation. These are important nuances; but most of the New Testament can be reconstructed by scholars with reasonable certainty -- as much certainty as we can reconstruct *any* book of the ancient world.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nttextcrit.html#ehrman