Christian/Muslim ThreadsQuran vs. BibleSound words of wisdom. I had assumed the above, but seems my statement went over your head IF explanations for Quran Muslims in pleasant tone, then Muslims are not speaking against Gospel and Christianity. Is this your logic or Muslims in general? Accusations of Bible corruption and Christian faith are built into Muslim's instructions on Islam. Saying in one of your post, you are to here prove the Bible is not Injil. How do you purpose to do this; with Quran, ahadith, tafsir. Yet, according to you, I must refer to same Islamic scholar for my objections to Quran and Islamic beliefs. The issue is reasoning of Islam, I have made an argument on your opinion or Islamic belief or both, on why the Quran cannot totally rule out Sonship. What has your rebuttal been except for argumentative, creating fictional rules and changing rationalization. In support of rebuttal you quoted Q:5:116 which according to Islam, Jesus denies He is Lord. When shown the verse was unsupportive, the rational for submitting it just simply changed. Another example, was refering Q: 3:59 and hadith assuming no further commenting was needed. Debate the issue instead of merely given another ayah its related hadith then asking me a question. That is not debating. If you believe the ayah and hadith is relevant to your argument then included them in rebuttal, and see if I can answer: Instead of the 'I do not care what you think' defense. Physics and astronomy are not the subject nor were the influential men of these fields. What their findings and publications have to say, will have no bearing on person's salvation. Here is a quote form Hawkings on criticism of his works. "What should you do when you find you have made a mistake like that? Some people never admit they are wrong and continue to find new, and often mutually inconsistent, arguments to support their case…It seems to me much better and less confusing if you admit in print that you were wrong." - Stephen Hawking Hope you can see the difference type of trust I intended. The mentioned men have contributed greatly to the sciences but they remain capable of making big blunders. Nonetheless, I have not asked for trust of Muslims, just like no person should be asked to trust in so-called experts for their salvation. To you use your method of rebuttal; word convince is not finished by itself, people even the majority, can be convinced and still not have the truth. Put away the semantics and start debating the issue. This is related to your failure with Q:5:116, but I am supposed to convince you there is no teaching in mainstream Christianity for worship of Mary. Give your reason, be it Christian background or any other reason, why you believe this is true. No source is required, just speak and make a sound argument for objections. Anecdotal but you are more than welcome to dispute with your facts. So unless your disagreement is merely opinion (having no survey or research that states otherwise) then there is no reason for warning. Now is your chance to discredit my assertion, by giving facts and source, for why I should be careful. Like I said before, let the reader judge the argument and not make debate a matter of what convinces you/us Peace be with you and everyone else. Buddhist, Hindu, even atheist can say they have found their peace, which is their prerogative to say. But get it right, 25 and even 15 years ago Islam was hardly in average Christians vocabulary. If there is Christian militancy to Islam then you have Ahmed Deedat ( and other dawgandist) and his disciples to thank for that. In later part of 1970's , Deedat and his kind came on scene propagating Islam not with strength of Quran, but through vicious and underhanded attacks on Bible and Christianity. Heck yes Muslims are disappointed with present day Christians, they are not the docile Christians of 70s and 80s that were so much fun for Muslims. I would say whatever Christians intolerance exist was earned by propagators of Islam. Here is chance for you to do something about it, instead of merely expressing your disappoint with Deedat like wit and substance. Get back on the issue, make an argument on my reasoning rather then myself. joseph |
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