Aineo wrote:lemmein, have you checked my sources? Probably not since truth is not in your vocabulary, and BTW after I get more proof this and more is going on my website.

Yes, I verified your sources and they were garbage. I thoroughly explained to you the problems of your sources in my previous post and I have no intent to explain it to you again. Reread my response to those sources in case you missed it.

It is time people understood the truth.

That you're a liar?

As to those studies, what they show is that many teens who think they are gay will one day change their sexuality without counseling. Now other than you hysterical opinions can you refute these studies? Your saying one of them has been discredited does not prove anything.

No, all those studies show is that you can't provide anything other than articles from biased, religious sites or from faulty, old research that doesn't distinguish the difference between homosexual behavior and attraction. Seriously, Aineo, you need to read my posts more carefully.

As to reparative therapy, as stated on Dr. Throckmorton's site this method is not beneficial to all clients, however other methods are. So your hysteria over this one method of counseling is sophomoric, which by the way does not mean you are a sophmore. What do they teach in school these days?

Regardless of what methods you use, you still haven't provided any credible evidence for their success, which is the main issue.

They teach a lot in school and the human sexuality curriculum isn't blinded by the nonsense the ex-gay community tries to reinforce. Everybody is aware that homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation and no one takes right-wing ideas of a 'homosexual' disorder seriously.

You asked why the sexual orientation of psychiatrists was an issues and then you use the religious affiliation of a source of good information to discredit what is shared on the site. BTW, did you read it all or just pick out what you wanted? If this is how your "researched" ex-gays then your research is just as faulty as you claim these sites are.

The sexual orientation of a psychiatrist doesn't make faulty assumptions that religious affiliated sites make, such as the presumption that homosexuality is some kind of disorder or that studies done 40 years ago that make no distinction between behavior and attraction are actually credible. I choose my references carefully and even dismiss biased sources from pro-gay sites and magazines. You will never see me quote articles from www.gay.com or from Advocate magazine. All my sources were from credible, established sources such as the Psychology Department of UC Davis and the 'Journal of Sex and Research'.

So, I pick one site that references Christian sources, the others are not Christian sources, also there are many other sources I could have listed, which will be on my new web page.

Yes, they are. 'New Direction' and 'Fathers for Life' all use references from right-wing Christian sites for their articles.

Tell you what lemmein, when you get your Ph.D and M.D. then I will take your advise since I prefer to read the unbiased opinions of real professionals not the childish patterings of a sophomoric student whose goal in life is to design computer games and who thinks he has all the answers to human sexuality.

Ooooooh, so I don't have a Ph.D or an M.D. so my arguments are completely invalid? :roll: What are you trying to do? Intimidate me? Your pathetic attempt at convincing me that the ex-gay movement is actually credible has done nothing but convince me more that the ex-gay movement is full of dishonesty and deceit. The fact that you even tried to appeal to authority is making me lose any bit of respect I had for you and your use of right-wing Christian sites for sources is down right ridiculously humorous. On top of this, you accuse me of using biased sources. I must say, Aineo, you top my lists of hypocritical forum browsers.

And furthermore, my goals in getting into the computer games industry is at least something worth pursuing unlike your use of intellectual dishonesty to convince society of your religious, dogmatic ideas.

I must thank you for getting me started on this new page for my web site. Oh, and I am also researching clinical pathology and how it relates to ego dystonic homosexuality and paraphilia.

That's nice. Are you sure you have enough old, faulty studies for nothing short of a biased research?