BISMILLAHIRRAHMAANIRRAHIIM
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Here I come. Having fun with Apple Pie

Apple Pie wrote:

fdjohan wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

fdjohan wrote:

You just repeating what Al-Qur'an says in surah (29:48).
'And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted who follow falsehood'.

Why do you have to repeating the words?
1. 'And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it,
2. nor didst thou write it with thy right hand

You blaspheme when you state that مُحَمَّدٌ appears anywhere in sura 29.

Why force a lie into your own scriptures?

Have some respect for the authors who penned your book of faith.

just by look at these words people will understand who ALLAH talking to
- 1. wast not a reader of any scripture before it
- 2. In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.

Thanks for admitting that Islam’s so-called “prophet” is not even mentioned in the text.

Thank you admitting that you are so bilnd about Al-Qur'an the book that you are attacking.

Muslims has 2 sources not just Al-Qur'an.
You don't even know that Hadith is exist?

Is this because your book of faith cannot stand on its own..?

Apple Pie. If you want to attack Islam by your own concept, you have to attack both Qur'an and Hadith. All your works are useless.

Even our own Prophet(saw) said in his last sermon:

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well; therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things: QURAN and my example, SUNNAH (hadith) and if you follow these you will never go astray.

So we Muslims hold 2 things. Al-Qur'an and Hadith.

Don’t forget your third source….the Holy Bible…which is required to correct and clarify the Koran in all manner of things.

Wrong. Al-Qur'an REJECTS all concepts of NT. Why don't you just accept this fact.

You can see this for yourself in sura 103.

A Sahaba make his witness that surah 103 came down in time the Prophet still alive. You are just circle around your wishful thinking.

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As you already admitted…..all straight from your book of faith.

Why exactly is a “no-body” elevated to such a “regarded” status in Islam anyway?


Well... when we faced you by Hadith and history, you seem speechless. Do nothing but keep repeating words. Argue merely by talk.

Hadiths are not the Koran.

Who says hadiths is AL-Qur'an Apple Pie.

Again…..the Koran cannot stand on its own.

Period.

Yes. we still have the words of the Prophet. So your claim is nothing when it's contradict the words of the Prophet. Useless.

It needs constant support & correction, as you just admitted.

Now you are also BLIND about hadith. Gosh you are blind about everything.

Muhammad is a masculine arabic name. The meaning of the name:
Praised, praiseworthy.

And…as such….it could refer to anyone….or anything…

Of you say that regarding the sentences we are talking about, you really a blind exegetor.

HOW COME you say MOSES specifically CALLED A PROPHET?

Because he is…

In Hebrew Moses means "saved; child; taken from water", "saviour."
IT COULD REFER TO ANYONE
You wrong Apple Pie.

Even when stated in your Koran…..?

So you admit MUSA in Al-Qur'an is a Prophet? (answer please)

Just curious:
Why don't you say MUSA in Al-Qur'an also "IT COULD REFER TO ANYONE "?
How you judge "IT COULD REFER TO ANYONE" and "IT COULD BE REFER TO A NAME?"

It's not about how many time tha names was mention. It's about "YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME MUHAMMAD EXIST IN THE AL-QUR'AN"

Don’t you mean Islam’s so-called “prophet”…?

No I mean that you are stuck.

Surah 3:144
Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

WHAT "thing" is no more than an Apostle?
Is that verse talking about a MAN or a THING?

Show us the Arabic word for “apostle”….

Rasoolullah of course. You want to play by other exegesis?

Surah 33:40
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle

Tell to FORUM that Muhammad in that word is a THING.

Again…show us the Arabic word for “apostle”….

rasoola Allahi

Surah 47:2
But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

Tell to FORUM that Muhammad in that word is a THING.

Sent down to who…..?

Gosh. What happen to you? are you STUCK or speechless?

Surah 48:29
Muhammad is the apostle of Allah

Tell to FORUM that Muhammad in that word is a THING.

Again…show us the Arabic word for “apostle”….

rasoolu Allahi

Apple Pie, you make everything worst. It's not about believing Qur'an or Bible. You can't even adjust your exegesis for the words before and the next. How can you say ANYTHING context to those 4 sentences?

Out of the entire Koran, the best that you could “google” was just four examples of where you feel your “prophet” is mentioned.

It's not about 4 or ETC. You are fail for this argument saying no MUHAMMAD name mention. Why do you have to act like UNSMART EXEGETOR now?

Just 4 times.

Out of the entire Koran.

Further, you are desperately trying to make these four examples fit the mold of Islam’s worshiped “prophet”.

Another supidity. This guy says Muslims worship Muhammad. . What a smart exegetor.

Further still, none of your 4 examples even comes from sura 103.

Thus, you have no argument for stating that sura 103 is in reference to him at all.

Actually you're just trying to ommit my reference about this. I sent this already.

Recorded by Abn Kathir:

They have mentioned that `Amr bin Al-`As went to visit Musaylimah Al-Kadhdhab after the Messenger of Allah was commissioned (as a Prophet) and before `Amr had accepted Islam. Upon his arrival, Musaylimah said to him, "What has been revealed to your friend (Muhammad ) during this time'' `Amr said, "A short and concise Surah has been revealed to him.'' Musaylimah then said, "What is it'' `Amr replied;

[وَالْعَصْرِ - إِنَّ الإِنسَـنَ لَفِى خُسْرٍ - إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّـلِحَـتِ وَتَوَاصَوْاْ بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْاْ بِالصَّبْرِ ]

(By Al-`Asr. Verily, man is in loss. Except those who believe and do righteous deeds, and recommend one another to the truth, and recommend one another to patience.)

`Amr bin Al-`As is the witness of surah 103.

What will you say?

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Now that we are in mutual understanding that neither your co-called “prophet”….nor your god “allah” are mentioned in sura 103…..nor do they hold any credibility in reference to sura 103 whatsoever….what exactly do you have to say regarding sura 103?

Are you now ready to acknowledge that sura 103 clearly mandates that you must take Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior…?


Where in the world I can find name JESUS CHRIST in that verse?

The subject matter of sura 103 is determined by the material used in the sura.

It is clear that this sura was copied from the Book of Revelation.

Again. Where is the word JESUS in surah 103?
You haven't explain anything about this.

What is the reason you OMMIT my reference about a sahaba as a witness of surah 103? Are you speechless about that?

What omission…?

see above.

Other Christians attack Islam by mentioning name MUHAMMAD from Al-Qur'an.
While, Apple Pie persistently rejecting the name Muhammad axisted in Al-Qur'an.

Who ever said that the word never existed in the Koran…?

The issue is that you feel that the word refers to the prophet that you worship.

I like the way you say that. You show people your other stupidity. Nice.

“Google” has been unable to help-out your case.

You are stuck many times because of Google.

NOW. IMAGINE.

For surah 103:1, a MISTERIOUS MUSLIM picked Revelation 14:12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 and 19:15.

AND for surah 103:3, a MISTERIOUS MUSLIM picked the SAME THING Revelation 14:12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 and 19:15.
BUT the MEANING of the verses is no longer same as 103:1.

DO YOU ALL THINK IT'S LOGIC?

Perhaps now you understand why the Koran is in constant need of correction by its source, the Holy Bible.

No. you are messed up with your own argument. Nothing we can see a SMART accusation. It's all like a child playing in that sand for us. There is no quality about what you are doing. So sad.

Sura 43 is correct…..the Koran is merely a second-hand translated copy.

And you keep fail to defend you own argument. What a shame isn't it.

Compare to 103.3…

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إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ءامَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّلِحَتِ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالْحَقِّ وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ

Illa allatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati watawasaw bialhaqqi watawasaw bialssabri

103.3 Except whom they believed and they did the righteous deeds, and bequeathed one another on account of the truth, and bequeathed one another on account of the patience.

So from the same verse of Revelation (14:12-20, 19:15) can produce 2 passages.

1. 103.1 And/by the time during which peoples pass away and become extinct. (tafsir Aple Pie).

And

2. 103.3 Except whom they believed and they did the righteous deeds, and bequeathed one another on account of the truth, and bequeathed one another on account of the patience.

Why that misterious Muslim Had to jump from verse 1 to 3 from the same passages of NT?
Why he picked the previous passages for no 2? On what reason?

This is just COUNTER LOGIC.

Not to mention, Apple Pie's translation of 103:3 nothing related to Rev 14:12-20, 19:15. Which part is related? That's just self proclaiming.

For the same reason that the woman riding the beast (sura 81) is not in the same order as that found in Revelation.

You must refer to the original (Holy Bible)…..not the imitated copy (Koran).

You should know this by now…

Keep calling people to come to your dream.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3055
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 611
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 159 - 160

Why don't you mention which references one by one.

Done.

No. I am oredering The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, Abdul Mannan Omar. right now.
Show to people here what Abdul Mannan Omar's The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an say about surah 103.

Let see if your reference does not contradict your own oppinion.

I don't think "The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an" will different than other dictionary since created by a Muslim (Abdul Mannan Omar).

How would you know…..when the best that you can do is “google” for your answers….?

You are not a serious Muslim.

You put the bare minimum effort into understanding your book of faith.

You have no quality in this field Apple Pie.
You use Dictionary of AL-Qur'an. I will use the same.

The Easy Dictionary of the Qur’aan, Compiled By Shaikh AbdulKarim Parekh Translated By (Late) AbdurRasheed Kamptee Dr. Abdulazeez Abdulraheem Shaikh AbdulGhafoor Parekh .




So you are wrong Apple pie.
You have no quality making tafsir Apple Pie. You use dictionary of Al-Qur'an for your reference. But Dictionary of Al-Qur'an it self proved that you are completely wrong.

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Summary of 103.3:

D. The Koranic account again proclaims the divinity of Jesus by identically mimicking the assertion of “alsabri”, or the patience, as directly compared to the “hupomone”, or patience of the “hagios”, or most holy/saints as proclaimed in Revelation


Where in the world we can find name JESUS in surah 103:3?

الْحَقِّ

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• The Koran, by copying the Book of Revelation, has confirmed the means of eternal Salvation – of which, this original meaning, has been lost in Islam
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And you fail to defend your arguments. This claim is just a wishful thinking.

What’s the matter…..can’t refute the truth….?


Just give up.



Thanks…