ArchivedHomosexual AgendaThe men and women I personally know who have failed to change did not want to in the first place, their motivation was not what you call "those deep emotions" for the sovereignty of God versus the sovereignty of emotions. What you are referring to as "deep emotions" is what I would call "unconditional love", which is rare in our era even when love of children is involved. I know parents (Christian and non-Christian) who have disowned their children for many reasons including homosexuality, so these "deep emotions" are many times situational and relative in certain circumstances. Prejudice in my opinion is irrational and does the person with the prejudice as much emotional and spiritual damage as the object of the prejudice. Prejudice is not a part of real Christianity, it is the result of what children are taught at home. Before you lump all Christians with Islam you really should study the individual beliefs. It is unfortunate, but a fact of life, that what you see in many Christians is not what the Bible teaches. I will have to accept your word for this since Wiccan and the other occult religions put me off when I was a child. However, when I talk about pagan religions I am talking about the religious beliefs found in Africa, Asia, Indochina, South America, and the Pacific Islands. All of which believe in a good (beneficent) and evil (malicious) gods. I can empathize with Paul, however, he made the choice to keep the job and accept the abuse. My sister is about 5'5" and weighs 230 lbs. and was depressed about how people treat her. When she decided that mean spirited people were just that "mean spirited" and she could not do anything to change their attitudes and accepted herself for who she is her depression disappreared. While in High School I weighed 285 lbs and was constantly ridiculed for my size not only by classmates but by my own family. It was at this time in my life I discovered that living in depression is a choice and life is not fair. After I lost 110 lbs and peoples attitudes changed I simply called them hypocrits and lived my life ignoring prejudice and bigotry. I lived in the Bible belt for about 30 years and can appreciate what you are saying. However, just because someone attends a church and claims a faith in Jesus Christ does not make them a Christian. Jesus told the Jews: I use this and other Bible passages to discern any Christians spiritual condition. Now I have known other homosexuals a girl I went to school with that took an extream liking to just walking up and kissing the stright christian girls just to see them freak out and she was darn happy to be homosexual and thought people who talked down to her were darn funny and she would just love to make them feel sqeemish...truth be told if I was gay I would do the same thing just to spite them. So not all gays are prone to this depression but I belive you said yourself once that you were depressed for years because of your homosexuality. Religian is part of sociatal conditionings so if you were depressed for being a sinner you were depressed because sociaty taught you your religian and part of it was homosexual behavior is a sin...which leads to lots of cases of depression among belivers because they arnt living as they should.[/quote]I lived in depression for a couple years as an ex-gay man trying to find fellowship with other "Christians", however, the only time I was depressed while in gay life was when a relationship ended. However, like I said above living in depression (other than clinical depression, which has a biological cause) is a choice. When ever-straights tried to make me feel inferior I would blow them a kiss, wink and smile at them, and have even kissed a couple just to watch them run for cover. It was funny to watch men who were apparently so insecure in their masculinity run for cover. I have a lesbian cousin (she and I were the first gays in our families), a couple gay second cousins (the lesbians nephews), a gay niece, and my younger brother was gay (he died from AIDS related causes). I know the family histories of them all and I can state unequivocally that each and every one of them can trace their homosexuality to sexual abuse and/or rejection, physical and emotional abuse. Some in the ex-gay movement refer to this as "generational curses". Women raised in abusive environments tend to marry abusive men and men raised where spousal abuse is tolerated tend to become wife beaters. This is an indication of learned behavior, not genetics and the cycle can be broken in one generation by exercising "free will". Not all gay men or lesbian women want to change, and this is their God given right, it is what Christians call “free will”. As you are drawing conclusions based on your personal experiences with people (Paul), I am doing the same. The men and women I know who tried and failed, failed because they were seeking societal, family, or church acceptance. This is not a valid motivation as it always ends up in failure. As to other’s who have failed I can only surmise why since I do not know them and therefore will not comment. Conversely just because you are sleeping with a member of the same sex does not mean you are gay; it means you are giving into primal desires for pleasure and excitement. Stress can and does result in many physical and emotional problems. I was under a lot of stress with a new job when I was about 28 and started having pain through my chest and down my left arm, my doctor sent me to a cardiologist who found nothing wrong and told me to just calm down since my symptoms could be stress. You know what, he was correct. The mind has a lot more control over our bodies than even the medical profession can explain. I think you will find that ex-gays and the gay community would both be offended by comparing homosexuality with drug addiction. They may be similar in some peoples view, but they are vastly different in practice. Living a lie or a “dry-drunk” is no life at all, so to question the veracity and truthfulness of ex-gays is just as insulting to us as many homophobic Christians are to the gay community. The divorce rate among straights is 24% for non-Christians and 26% for Christians, 52% of all Christian first marriages will end in divorce. Straight relationships other than marriage will end up in splits at even a higher rate. So there is a big difference between the break up of gay relationships (marriages) and heterosexual marriages. Yes I do know the statistics as I use divorce stats among Christians to show them their hypocrisy at ignoring what the Bible say about divorce and remarriage while at the same time using a strict Biblical interpretation for homosexuals. You have spent a great amount of time defending gay men and lesbian women. Truthfully, so do I. I find homophobia irrational and un-Biblical. However, as a result of my faith I see same-gender sexual activity as sin. Does this mean I should persecute, ridicule, or in any way discriminate against them? Absolutely not! However, I do believe that all the truth, not just new-age philosophy should be made available to all people so they can make an educated (other than emotional) decision. If you do a search on the Internet using “ex-gay” you will find just a much prejudice, bigotry, hate, and misinformation about the ex-gay movement from gay activists as you do towards the gay community by some Christians. Christians need to stand for what they believe in the voting booth since we live in a democracy. But, prejudice in interpersonal relationships and persecution of the gay community belies:
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