What happen cant you you read and understand ?
H2O wrote:
Now you are debating with an Arabic speaker. My reference is the Quran in Arabic not a translation. Now what do those verses mean to me when I read them in their original ? Here it is as follows with its Tafsir:
Am I to believe you quoted a tafsir which you called
"Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah " and then proceeded to append to it your own interpretations,interpolations and beliefs directly into the tafsir and then tell us this is what the tafsir says? Why did you call this tafsir
"Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah" who is Abdullah? This gives the impression that this is a previous already known tafsir that you are quoting, and surprise surprise it turns out you appended your own words into the tafsir and are unwilling to let us see where you obtained the original. What exactly are you scared of? Are you worried we will see you for a liar when the tafsir says nothing of the sort you made it look like it said?
The question still stands, if you are being objective and have nothing to fear you will show us where you obtained this tafsir.
Liberate wrote:He identified islam as these people, and stated that islam is the only global religion that has a different world timeline in conjunction with the anti christ changing the times and the seasons as stated in the bible (AD instead of AH). When He returns eventually after the rapture of the church, and the reign of the anti christ. It shall be in the creation of a new heaven and a new earth, as it was in the beginning. Then He will judge all those who refused to believe in Him and refused His gift of salvation.
My opinion is that the Dajjal is not and actual man but a system, nation, or government. If you read all the hadeeth that mention him it makes it evident that it is not an actual person. I think this Dajjal is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA coinsiding with many Christian beliefs that the beast fortold in Revelation is also the USA.
I hold the same perspective about the son of maryam as a nation, government ie an opposing force to the Dajjal.
How do you reconcile this nation getting married, living for another 40 yrs, dying and being buried in Mecca.?
Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3187:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Dajjal will come from the eastern side with the intention of attacking Medina until he will get down behind Uhud. Then the angels will turn his face towards Syria and there he will perish.
Sahih Book 041, Number 6990:
'Abdullah reported: We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that we happened to pass by children amongst whom there was Ibn Sayyad. The children made their way but Ibn Sayyad kept sitting there (and it seemed) as if Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not like it (his sitting with the children) and said to him: May your nose he besmeared with dust, don't you bear testimony to the fact that I am the Messenger of Allah? Thereupon he said: No, but you should bear testimony that I am the messenger of Allah. Thereupon 'Umar b. Khattab said: Allah's Messenger, permit me that I should kill him. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If he is that person who is in your mind (Dajjal ), you will not be able to kill him.
Looks like Mohammed thought the dajjal was a human being, guess you know islam better than he does.
Maybe you should start you own religion. Personally I hardly see a difference between your wild personal beliefs and interpretions than those of the ahmadiyya.
Maybe this will be a group of believing Christians. If you grinning you faces please remember how Allah helped the Romans over the Persians.
How did allah help the romans?
The same way allah/hubal helped the arabs against Abrah's army?
Food for thaught for my brothers and sisters; Remember in the end the Son of maryam will follow behind the Mahdi in Salah and he him self will not lead the Prayer. This indicated the son of Maryam's submission and becoming a follower.
The False Prophet is obviously refering to the POPE some claim, I am sure you have heard this before, the pope has alot of power, and his speaches to inspire people and have an affect on what the UN does.
The Harlot obviously the origin of the USA, its culture, and system for the NEW WORLD ORDER is Europe. The nations of the earth fornicated with her ie adopted her influences, her system, her ideology. This is what Europe did, it swayed other to it way of life and concepts.
The Dragon is no other than ISRAEL. The USA and ISRAEL are brother to one another. The USA has always been giving SUPPORT & POWER to ISRAEL even when they do wrong. Let me remind you that the Govern of Israel are Secular and conservative Jews not orthadox whom break every rule to the Torah there is.
I suggest you agree to an interpretation of what your religion says before you come and interpret ours for us.
What is the ayah of Jesus and His mother ? It is his maraculous birth. How a woman was able to have a child without the intervention of a male, and Jesus being a child with no biological father. So brother is not this "ilm" knowledge about him and his mother ?
So the question is how is he knowledge for the hour? What is the Knowledge about him that will tell us that the hour is near ? He was a human being born of a woman without a father.
Dear brother, what are they doing today in science with cloning, or trying to do and they have already(in China) cloned a human being [fetus] but later destroyed it ? I leave this brother for you to propound on.
So Jesus is a clone?
We have not disregaurded hadeeth (Sahih). It is the matter of interpretation depending on the school of thaught that we agree with. We have to understand one thing the Arabic must be address for criticism on the realiability of translation. Also we must have grounded knowledge in Quran also.
Which hadiths that I have shown you have you accepted?
For the rest of those who are not muslim I am not argueing with my brother but merely sharing knowledge with him.
Of course you are, and you are right and he is wrong correct?